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740 DR. BABASAHEB AMBEDKAR : WRITINGS AND SPEECHES
one or two, or a few representatives of the primitive classes in the Provincial Council will feel that they are overwhelmed by the forces on the other side, is not quite justified by an analysis as I am presenting it to you of the composition of the future Legislatures as it will be under the White Paper proposal ?
Dr. J. H. Hutton: In view of the difference of race, I think it is possibly justified, at any rate in certain places.
D253. Dr. B. R. Ambedkar: Take the question again of education. I happen to know something about these primitive people in the Bombay Presidency. We have a backward classes ?
Dr. J. H. Hutton: Yes, I know.
D254. Dr. B. R. Ambedkar: We ourselves are not very far divided from them ?
Dr. J. H. Hutton: I know.
D255. Dr. B. R. Ambedkar: Educationally speaking, one could not really say that a good many people in India are in less need of education than the primitive or the backward people ?
Dr. J. H. Hutton: You could not say what ?
D256. Dr. B. R. Ambedkar: You could not say (take, for instance, the depressed classes) that bare educational need is less ?
Dr. J. H. Huttton: You could not say that it was less.
D257. Dr. B. R. Ambedkar: One could not say it ?
Dr. J. H. Hutton: No.
D258. Dr. B. R. Ambedkar: I have been sitting on the backward class board in Bombay, which is a composite board for the depressed classes and these primitive people ?
Dr. J. H. Hutton: Yes, in certain cases the primitive people are very much more educated.
D259. Dr. B. R. Ambedkar: Therefore, as I say, taking their educational need, in the Legislative Council, they would not find themselves isolated ?
Dr. J. H. Hutton: They might do.
D260. Dr. B. R. Ambedkar: You would desire that they should be completely excluded, and their need, such as education, which I think is the greatest need of these people should be met entirely by revenues supplied by the Governor under his special responsibilities ?
Dr. J. H. Hutton: Yes.
D261. Dr. B. R. Ambedkar: I want to put this to you : whether a Governor would at all go to the length of providing what he thought was a sufficient amount of funds for the education of the primitive classes if his Ministers did not support him ?
Dr. J. H. Hutton: That is a serious difficulty.
D262. Dr. B. R. Ambedkar: If there is something in the point that I have put to you, would not it be desirable that some representatives of these people should be in the Legislative Council so that a Minister may be