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742 DR. BABASAHEB AMBEDKAR : WRITINGS AND SPEECHES
at once say : “I do not want this constitution at all” ?
Dr. J. H. Hutton: But I do not, for the primitive tribes.
D284. Major Attlee: I do not think the Simon Commission recommended the forests from your point of view at all. The forests were recommended by the Simon Commission to be transferred ?
Dr. J. H. Hutton: No. I put that forward as a suggestion for the economical administration of an excluded area.
Lord Eustace Percy : Perhaps Dr. Hutton will deal with this difficulty, because I do not understand what a totally excluded area is in which the provincial forest official and the provincial forest policy prevails.
D285. Dr. B. R. Ambedkar: If I may say so, the area is not excluded, it is the people who are excluded ?
Dr. J. H. Hutton : No, the area is excluded, as I read the White Paper. Is there any definition of a totally excluded area in the White Paper ?
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The Right Honourable Sir Winston Spencer Churchill, C.H. Member of the House of Commons
†l4,681. Dr. B. R. Ambedkar: Mr. Churchill, the White Paper does not propose to establish Dominion Constitution ?
Sir Winston Churchill: No.
14,682. Dr. B. R. Ambedkar: Therefore I do not propose to trouble you with any questions with regard to the logical and metaphysical position, whether one could draw a distinction between Dominion Status as a ceremonial affair and Dominion Status as a Dominion Constitution. I propose to ask you just one or two questions with regard to the White Paper itself without confusing the issue by bringing in anything with regard to the distinction that you propose to make. May I draw your attention, therefore, to the debate that took place in Parliament on December 1st, 1931, when the Prime Minister moved the resolution; it was in these terms : “That this House approves the Indian policy of His Majesty’s Government as set out in Command Paper No. 3972 — Indian Round Table Conference — presented in Parliament on the 1st December, 1931.” That is the first White Paper-not the full scheme ?
Sir Winston Churchill: You mean the Prime Minister’s speech ?
14,683. Dr. B. R. Ambedkar: The Prime Minister’s speech.
Sir Winston Churchill : Quite.
14,684. Dr. B. R. Ambedkar: The Constitution adumbrated in the White Paper which was presented to the House included in the main the proposals which are contained in the White Paper as it is presented to the Joint Select Committee. There was to be Provincial responsible government
†Minutes of Evidence, Vol. II-C, 24th October 1933, pp. 1807-08.