21. The Indian Trade Unions (Amendment) Bill - Page 135

118 DR. BABASAHEB AMBEDKAR : WRITINGS AND SPEECHES

Mr. P.J. Griffiths : On a point of personal explanation. I did not refer to sub-clause ( g ) at all.

The Honourable Dr. B. R. Ambedkar : I am very sorry if I misunderstood the Honourable Member. That is what I took down. What I would like to say is this. The position of the Government is perfectly plain and may be stated briefly. On the basis of the views that were communicated to us in 1941 and on the basis of the views that were communicated to us from the various organisations representing labour and capital, Government came to the conclusion that the positive conditions which they have laid down ought to be sufficient. But Government does not wish to dogmatise about it and Government does feel that there might be certain conditions which either the Provincial Government or the employers of labour or capital may find to be necessary to be introduced in this Bill before recognition is granted. It is to make provision for a contingency of that kind we have introduced these clauses wherever it is stated that further conditions may be prescribed. It is a loophole, it is an opportunity which we have left and designed to take to ourselves the benefit of any advice that we might receive. There is certainly no vagueness and no uncertainty with regard to the provisions of the Bill as to what a representative character means.

Mr. P. J. Griffiths : On a point of information. Would you explain to the House the meaning of the new clause 28D, subclause ( e ) “ that it is a representative Trade Union ” ?

The Honourable Dr. B. R. Ambedkar : It means a Union which has been certified by the Board as a representative Trade union.

Mr. P. J. Griffiths : Of their own free will ?

The Honourable Dr. B. R. Ambedkar : The Board will make an investigation and that was the point of comment of my friend, Mr. Joshi, who said that the Board is authorised to ask for all sorts of information including the views of the private members.

Mr. P. J. Griffiths : Is it the intention that the Board shall have some guidance as to what is meant by “ representative ” ?

The Honourable Dr. B. R. Ambedkar : We propose to. On that point we would like to have a suggestion from various parties as to what sort of instructions they would like us to give to the Board.

Mr. P. J. Griffiths: So, you have a blank mind on the subject.