474 DR. BABASAHEB AMBEDKAR : WRITINGS AND SPEECHES
Committee. The Members of the Select Committee have gone fully into the Bill and they have noted all the changes. He can no longer argue on the point by referring to it as the Departmental Bill. We want your ruling as to whether he is in order.
Mr. Speaker : I am afraid it is hardly a point for ruling. These are observations which, I appreciate, irritate some Members; but I do not think the honourable Member, when he uses the expression ‘Departmental Bill’ suggests thereby that the Members of the Select Committee did not consider the points. He is, as I have been noticing, using the expression ‘ Departmental Bill’ for the sake of brevity instead of saying each time “the Bill which was drafted by the Department for the benefit of the Select Committee Members.” I do not think it goes anything further than that and we should not read any meaning into it. Departmental Bill is only a short phrase for that. As I once pointed out—I do not know whether the honourable Member was present when another honourable member of the House raised this point, the point that the is making out is that the changes made by the Select Committee are substantial. And if the changes are substantial then he is certainly within his right to say that the Bill should be re-committed or recirculated. That seems to be the point though he is going his own way, doing so in a very elaborate way which he could do in a shorter time.
Shrimati G. Durgabai : My point is he is imputing ignorance to the Select Committee members.
Mr. Naziruddin Ahmad : Not in the least. I am imputing, not ignorance, but carelessness naturally following from the Departmental Bill which gave them no clues to the changes. ( Interruptions ) .
Mr. Speaker : Order, order.
Mr. Naziruddin Ahmad : I withdraw the expression “ignorance”. But they were effected by a mistaken faith in the Departmental Bill. ( Interruption ) , Even if this is not yet apparent to him I am sorry for the honourable Member that he is still suffering from the obsession.
Mr. Speaker : Let the honourable Member proceed on a different line; let him say that they should have given more attention to this subject.
Mr. Naziruddin Ahmad : That is what I mean. In fact for my argument I do not require any hard expression—I rely more upon reason than upon an expression. If I have used any expression which is hard, even if not unparliamentary, I withdraw it. The point is we shall again begin with . . .