500 DR. BABASAHEB AMBEDKAR : WRITINGS AND SPEECHES
Shri Sonavane: That is the basis for the scheduled castes lists and therefore these two communities are mentioned in the amendment and if they are really untouchables then there should be no objection to their inclusion. But as far as my knowledge goes, in Bombay, barbers and fishermen are not untouchables and if they are not treated as untouchables here in Delhi, I do not see any point in their inclusion. Therefore, I would oppose this amendment.
Shri Shiv Charan Lal (Uttar Pradesh) : It is really very strange to see that Nais are being put in the scheduled caste list. In our province, U.P., formerly they used to write Nai Thakur and afterwards as Nai Brahmin. If you call them scheduled castes, I am sure they would never like it. The same is the case with Dhiwars. You cannot include these two castes in the scheduled castes in any way. As for any other list that might be prepared for the purpose of giving service or any other thing, they might be termed as ‘backward’. That is a different thing, but they cannot be put in the scheduled castes’ list in any case.
Shri Deshbandhu Gupta: I also agree with my hon. friend who has preceded me that Nais and Dhiwars should not be considered to be members of scheduled castes in Delhi. I do not know on what basis their names have been included in the list which Dr. Deshmukh has read out. The fact is that some time ago some representatives of Nais came to me and said that they had a grievance that they were termed as members of depressed classes. Therefore, I am sure that Dr. Deshmukh will not be obliging the Nais and the Dhiwars by their inclusion in this list.
Mr. Chairman: Has not the hon. Member heard : Ghar se aaya hai motbir nai?
The question is:
In clause 3, in the proposed Sixth Schedule, under the heading ‘ Delhi ’ at the end, add new entries :
“40. Nai (Barber).
- dhiwar (fisherman)”.
The motion was negatived.