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692 DR. BABASAHEB AMBEDKAR : WRITINGS AND SPEECHES
finds that there cannot be a Ministry constituted from the new Legislature he must yield. Is not that so ?
Sir Charles Innes : Yes, that would, ordinarily, be the case, unless he thought it was so important that he should not do it.
- Dr. B. R. Ambedkar : Under the proposals in the White Paper is not there this vital difference, that under the White Paper proposal the Governor will be in a position to overrule any and every Ministry ?
Sir Charles Innes : Only in the exercise of his special responsibility.
- Dr. B. R. Ambedkar : He will never be bound by the advice of any Ministry ?
Sir Charles Innes : Just as on our side we are assuming that the Indian is going to work the constitution in a spirit of reasonable co-operation, so also I think you have to assume that the Governor is going to do his best to work the constitution in the spirit in which it was conceived.
- Dr. B. R. Ambedkar : Yes ?
Sir Charles Innes : I do not see why you should assume that the Governor will try to exercise these powers. I think every Governor will try to avoid exercising them as much as he possibly can.
- Dr. B. R. Ambedkar : I am trying to bring out the difference between the two positions as I see it : the special powers do not give the Governor the power to overrule a particular Ministry with whose advice he disagrees ?
Sir Charles Innes : I really do not know what you are driving at.
- Dr. B. R. Ambedkar : The point I want to put to you is this, that the special powers which are to be given to the Governor are not given in order that he may overrule a particular Ministry whose advice he does not accept ; but the powers are given so that he may overrule any Ministry ?
Sir Charles Innes : Exactly, because what he has got to do is to discharge certain special responsibilities. It is not a question of overruling a particular Ministry or not : it is a question of whether or not he has got to preserve that special responsibility.
- Dr. B. R. Ambedkar : That is a vital difference between the safe guards ?
Sir Charles Innes : That is exactly what I said : that the safeguards in India may have to be more precise and more defined because of certain facts. For instance, this communal trouble necessitates safeguards.
- Dr. B. R. Ambedkar : I am not asking whether there are any grounds for it. I am trying to point out that there is a difference ?
Sir Charles Innes : Yes.
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Sir Edward Benthall, Sir Thomas Catto and Mr. G. L. Winterbotham, on behalf of Associated Chambers of Commerce of India
*6214. Dr. B. R. Ambedkar : Sir Edward, I want to ask you, first of all,
*Minutes of Evidence, Vol. II-A, 13th July 1933, pp. 640-42.