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738 DR. BABASAHEB AMBEDKAR : WRITINGS AND SPEECHES
Dr. J. H. Hutton: I think the ideas will percolate without any difficulty.
D237. Dr. B. R. Ambedkar: How?
Dr. J. H. Hutton: What troubles me is that unless they are separated they are likely to be destroyed by too abrupt contact. That is what has happened nearly everywhere else in the world.
D238. Dr. B. R. Ambedkar: I do not know but I do want to submit to you for your consideration whether if, as you have admitted, that is your ideal, namely, that they shall some day become part of the Indian society, segregation, and so complete and so rigid a segregation as you propose, is the proper way for the realisation of that ideal ?
Dr. J. H. Hutton: I think it is the only possible one myself.
D239. Sir Reginald Craddock: Might I put a question ? There are various educational agencies going on in some of those tribes. Is not that the case ?
Dr. J. H. Hutton: Yes, certainly....
D240. Sir Reginald Craddock: Are they chiefly missions, or has the Government any schools ?
Dr. J. H. Hutton: The Government has a number of schools.
D241. Sir Reginald Craddock: That would be one of the points that you would refer to in connection with the improvement of these classes would not you ?
Dr. J. H. Hutton : I should.
D242. Dr. B. R. Ambedkar: I want to proceed a little further. I see from your paper (correct me if I am wrong) that you are troubled about two things. You think that a contact or incorporation, if I may use that term, of the educated or the advanced or the civilised Indians, and of the primitive people in one constitution is likely to result, first of all, in their exploitation by the advanced classes or shall I say, the civilised part of the Indian society ?
Dr. J. H. Hutton: Yes.
D243. Dr. B. R. Ambedkar: Secondly, I suppose I am right in summarising it thus, that you are afraid that sufficient attention will not be paid to them in the new Council ?
Dr. J. H. Hutton: Yes.
D244. Dr. B. R. Ambedkar: Let me put to you one question. I will take the case of their land. Is it not a fact that this question, namely, of keeping the land in, the hands of the primitive people as far as possible that they may not be rendered a class of landless labourers, is also the problem which is before many of the agricultural classes in India and that even for their protection it has become necessary to pass Acts like the Deccan Agricultural Relief Act in Bombay and the Alienation of Land Act in the Punjab and several other cases ?
Dr. J. H. Hutton: I believe such Acts have been passed.
D245. Dr. B. R. Ambedkar: My suggestion is this, that if these primitive